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Postby lillycat16 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:01 pm

My Dad was William Chapman born 2th April 1914 in Swinton Salford according to his Attestation. His army no 3597889 in the Regular army for 7 years joining date 23rd July 1935.He service sheet is as follows
Country Service to count as British or Indian period
Home British 23/7/1935 to 23/9/1936
India Indian 24/9/1936 to 31/3/1939
India British 1/4/1939 to 4/12/1941
India British 7/7/1945 to 22/10/1945
Home British 23/10/1945 to 28/12/1947

As you can see there is a gap 5/12/1941 to 6/7/1945 which shows him being a deserter. My Dad said he deserted with his 'pal' and they joined the Australian army ( details further down) but was arrested and returned. I was told it was in Darwin.
He attended District W/T operators course in Calcutta 5/3/1940 to 31/3/1940 and qualified.
His army records have the following info though some of the dates are a bit off
9/3/1945 discharged from the Australian military forces and apprehended by U.K.H.L.S.
1/7/1945 proceeded to 2 Bn under escort.
(Then there is different writing and no date.)
Having signed a form of confession of having been guilty of desertion, the G.O.C. North West District hereby dispenses with the trial of the said soldier with effect from 25/1/1946; and orders that instead of being tried by a court martial, he shall suffer the same forfeitures and deductions from pay( if any) as if he had been convicted by a court martial of the said offence. Authority A.F.A46, signed Major General, Comd, North West District.
He reinlisted and stayed until 1947 as it states above. The whole period then was re instated and he was given a very good reference. I have been unable to trace any online record of him in the Australian army.
His next of kin is shown as his mother. Her address at his enlisting was Pavilion Hotel in Southport which I think has been pulled down. and in 1939 she lived at 28 Buchanan Street Pendlebury.
Apart from this I only know his grandfather was called William Chapman and a builders labourer, Dad's mother was Elizabeth Chapman born about 1883/84, he had a sister Annie, and he lived in an orphanage run by Catholic brothers.
So you can see I will only be able to trace his maternal line. I am hoping that there will be some more army records with more personal details in it. I would love to find some Australian records.
Any or advice would be gratefully received.

Anne
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Re: India

Postby mrdeacon » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:33 pm

Hello Anne have you had a look at these 2 sites for Australian war records.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... 4429,d.bGE

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... 4429,d.bGE

I had a quick look myself but couldn't find a William Chapman with that date of birth. Just a question did your dad use his original name or did he use another name ?

Good luck with your research.

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Re: India

Postby RodShack » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:23 pm

Hello Anne

I've recently found out that my wife's Grandfather served in India, pre-war. Do you know what Battalion he was in?

I read with more interest that your father joined the AIF, which interest me even more, seeing as I do WWI/II AIF Living History (with this lot: http://www.thediggerslhg.co.uk).

As part of the Diggers, we have a member in Australia. I'll see if he knows of a way to track William's service time down. From the links Mike has posted, it doesn't return any results. Could he have lied about his birth date and place, to avoid being tracked down by the British authorities?

Its not the first time I've heard of British deserters joining the AIF. Whilst not WWII - here is the story of a Warrington man who deserted the RMs and then joined the AIF: http://www.sapolicehistory.org/Oct10.html

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Re: India

Postby RodShack » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:13 am

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Re: India

Postby RodShack » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:16 am

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NameSear ... de=6137073

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NameSear ... de=6393956

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NameSear ... de=6488357

Again - just wondering if he changed his DOB. These are the only ones I could find with a Brith place of England around his DOB.

Could he even have enlisted using a middle name or similar?

Hope this helps.
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