Border Regiment shoulder titles

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Re: Border Regiment shoulder titles

Postby plbramham » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:07 am

I don't know anything regarding the curved or straight writing patterns. I suppose one type probably would be rarer than the other but I don't know which way round. I think the 2nd battalion had straight rather than curved brass shoulder titles, maybe they continued this style with the cloth ones?
I have read in the past ( I forget where and cannot find it now) that the black on khaki were issued for about a year in the midwar period ( 1942-43 perhaps?) before the white on red type I guess. However, I have also read that that the black on Khaki was for the First World War - I do not believe this. I cannot remember ever seeing WW1 slipon cloth badges, plus the fact your ancestor was issued with them indicates that they must be WW2. (The same person who wrote that they were WW1 also states that your yellow on green and purple type are not rare and should only fetch £4 each! not the £180 plus that you got - hence I'm thinking that source may not be entirely accurate!) Apparently there was also an early WW2 white on khaki and a red lettering on tan version for the Far East - if they do exist watch out for them,
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Re: Border Regiment shoulder titles

Postby plbramham » Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:53 pm

Here's one of the 2nd battalion Border Regiment brass straight shoulder titles. This type was only worn by officers I believe.
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Re: Border Regiment shoulder titles

Postby Pladhams » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:58 pm

Forgive me butting into this posting, but it covers a subject im trying to research. As a WW2 reenactor im putting together a uniform to represent my grandfather, during the battle of France.
He was 4th battalion Border Regiment, and the porblem i have is this: The slip on cloth shoulder titles worn on battledress then, would the lettering of been curved or straight for them, i have replicas of both to hand but wish to get it right!
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Re: Border Regiment shoulder titles

Postby plbramham » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:29 am

The slip on badges with black lettering on khaki background were only issued 1940-41 ( effectively replacing the brass ones I guess). I understand this makes them the rarest type of cloth insignia?
For full details and photos of WW2 badges see page 44 of "When Dragons Flew",

I don't know about the curved/straight lettering issue with slips ons- I have only seen the straight ones. I don't know which is the "correct" one or which is the most common. During the Battle of France I reckon that they would still be wearing the brass ones as the cloth slip ons would not have been issued.
I'm sure that you are well aware that the yellow on green with purple background, and the white lettering on red ( stitched or printed) were not in use until much later.

Regarding the straight brass badge pictured in above posting - that was only for the 2nd Battalion and only for officers, also I understand that example dates from the 1920s.

I believe that your grandfather as a territorial in the 4th Bn in early-mid 1940, would still be wearing the curved brass shoulder titles, as issued to him pre-1939 ( before going to France)
Actually,to be in the Battle of France as a 4th Bn territorial he must have joined pre war, so he may well have worn the "T4 Border" brass titles below.

Hope this helps, Regards Paul

P.S. Have you spotted my posting regarding the 4th Bn mobilising in Kendal in 1939? click here:
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Re: Border Regiment shoulder titles

Postby Pladhams » Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:00 pm

He did indeed join pre war, may 39 to be exact, and left december 45. Thanks for the info, i shall now try and hunt down some brass ones to shove on my battledress!
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Re: Border Regiment shoulder titles

Postby plbramham » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:58 pm

Pladhams wrote: i shall now try and hunt down some brass ones to shove on my battledress!


Just thought I'd let you know that there's a pair (they seem to usually be offered for sale individually- no doubt to maximise prices) just appeared on e-bay 12/6/2013 : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pair-Border-R ... 48566b3964 - and no, I'm not the seller!
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Re: Border Regiment shoulder titles

Postby Pladhams » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:12 am

Cheers, will keep an eye on them!
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