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Border casualty attached to RFC

Postby CockneyTone » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:09 pm

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Just back from the Somme, just by chance came across this interesting grave to a Border man attached to the Royal a Flying corp! Chap by the name of Patterson died 9/11/16. Wonder what happened to him! Buried Allonville Communal Cemetery. (Just NE of Amiens)
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Re: Border casualty attached to RFC

Postby spike » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:05 pm

CWGC Entry for Second Lieut A .A Patterson
PATTERSON, ARNOTT ANDREW

Rank:
Second Lieutenant
Date of Death:
09/11/1916
Age:
25
Regiment/Service:
Royal Flying Corps

34th Sqdn. and 6th Bn. Border Regiment
Grave Reference
A. 23.
Cemetery
ALLONVILLE COMMUNAL CEMETERY

Additional Information:

Son of George S. and Agnes M. Patterson, of Coltpark Avenue, Bishopbriggs, Glasgow.
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Re: Border casualty attached to RFC

Postby CockneyTone » Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:09 pm

Cheers Spike, regards, Scottie
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Re: Border casualty attached to RFC

Postby mrdeacon » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:14 am

Here is his MIC.

I'll let the experts decipher the card ;-)

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Re: Border casualty attached to RFC

Postby CockneyTone » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:35 am

Thanks Mike, wonder what happened to him?
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Re: Border casualty attached to RFC

Postby plbramham » Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:50 pm

Wonder why the crest is on his headstone is RAF not RFC, a CWGC mistake maybe? The RAF didn't exist until early 1918 - just over a year after after his death. Surely CWGC did do RFC and RNAS crests on headstones?
I suppose he was serving with the air force when he actually died or they would have given him a Border Regt crest? - but why an RAF one when it didn't exist until after he died? He could not have been RAF as they did not exist in 1916 when he died - RFC yes though! Must be a CWGC engraving error?
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Re: Border casualty attached to RFC

Postby CockneyTone » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:17 pm

Interesting point Paul?
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Re: Border casualty attached to RFC

Postby spike » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:32 pm

It appears the bagdes are the same, if you do a search for air force the RFC are included with RAF.
If you pick an example like Tom Mottershead VC, there is a picture of his grave here
Sergeant Pilot Tom Mottershead, who engulfed in flames flew his aircraft back across the lines and landed it safely enough to save his observer's life at the cost of his own: a feat that was to earn him the only Victoria Cross awarded to a R.F.C. or R.A.F. non-commissioned officer in the whole of that war.

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Killed in 1917, his grave still bears the Per Ardua ad Astra badge...

As for the R.N A.S. I found this picture :- they have their own badge
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On a different note here is the entry for A.A Patterson in the Border Regiment Army lists as a Second Lieutenant with the 6th Border Regiment in 1915
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Re: Border casualty attached to RFC

Postby plbramham » Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:38 pm

I have a distant recollection that there was a slight difference in the RFC and RAF crests in that one had the eagle's wing tips turned up or straight, and the other with the tips turned down. Anyone else heard anything like that? Just something I was told years ago - don't know if it's true!
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Re: Border casualty attached to RFC

Postby plbramham » Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:29 pm

34 Squadron. From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._34_Squadron_RAF
No. 34 Squadron RAF was formed at Castle Hooskow on 7 January 1916 from elements of No. 19 Squadron RAF. It went to France in July 1916 as a reconnaissance unit equipped with BE.2s It got RE.8s in January 1917. It transferred to the Italian front flying reconnaissance and bomber missions until the end of the war, returning to the UK and disbanding on 25 September 1919.
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