32694 Frederick Fleming

32694 Frederick Fleming

Postby andyparker » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:53 am

I am looking to get some more information about the time my great grandfather spent in WW1. He enlisted on 23/03/17 and was discharged on 9/05/18 I think due to wounds he received in France. My father has a letter sent to his wife saying that he had received serve gunshot wounds to his leg and was transferred to an american hospital in Le Treport on 1st October 1917. The hospital was run by the 16th Philadephia army hospital. His service record was lost as many were. I have written to the regimental museum but not got much information I was hoping someone here had more. It's interesting to note two of his brothers Joe and Wilf emigrated to the US and Joe ended up being enlisted into the US Army and ended up fighting in France.

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Re: 32694 Frederick Fleming

Postby spike » Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:42 pm

Hi Andy,

Have you any reason to suspect your Great Grandfather was in the 11th Border Regiment? Or are
you not sure of his battalion and just know it was Border Regiment.....
There is a 18555 Pte Jack Fleming of the 11th (men who died are unfortunately easier to
trace), sometimes a man joined a Battalion of his older siblings, perhaps a search of the 1911
census would cast light on this (ie did he have a brother Jack?)
It will be near on impossible to get anything if, as for many, his Service Records were
destroyed in the bombing of Kew in WW2.
If the Regimental Museum have come up with nothing, then it may be very difficult also
You might be able to get a M.I.C. (Medal Index Card) from the national archives, which would
maybe confirm his battalion

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res?_aq=+%22fleming%22+AND+%2232694%22&_ep=&_or1=&_or2=&_or3=&_nq1=&_nq2=&_nq3=&_sd=&_ed=&_col=online&_sw=ref&_cr1=&_cr2=&_cr3=&_ps=15&_ro=any&_rd=&_rsd=&_red=&_fr=&_st=adv

If anyone is a member of Ancestry perhaps they could help Andy out here.....
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Re: 32694 Frederick Fleming

Postby mrdeacon » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:33 pm

Here is his MIC and his Silver War Badge Records i will leave the rest to the experts to do the rest.
Was Frederick born in Cockermouth Cumbria ?
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Re: 32694 Frederick Fleming

Postby andyparker » Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:43 pm

Thanks for your replies gents. Fred was indeed born in Cockermouth and as far as I know he was in the 11th. I haven't found any other brothers enlisting apart from Joe. I will check with my father as he has his medals as well as the letter informing his family of his injury but I'm sure that he was in the 11th. I have copies of the documents you've put on the forum. What I was looking for was a bit more information than I got from the medal card and silver war badge record. I would assume he didn't join up when the 11th were raised and that he was called up. I was hoping that I could get details of his enlistment, training etc. I know this will be difficult but I thought even pointing me in the right direction would help, local papers and archives etc. Anything I can get would be useful.

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Re: 32694 Frederick Fleming

Postby spike » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:32 pm

That information would unfortunately be, on his Service Documents. If they were destroyed in
WW2 then it is a shame.
Perhaps his Pension Documents survived? if he was injured and due a war pension.....

As for local papers, here is a list of local newspapers and the libraries their archives are held in
on microfiche.

Adairs Maryport Advertiser 1853 - 1905 held at Maryport Library
Alston Herald and East Cumberland Advertiser 1874 - 1881 held at Alston Library
Ambleside Herald 1880 - 1887 held at Kendal Library
Barrow Guardian 1910 - 1947 held at Barrow
Barrow Herald 1864 - 1914 held at Barrow
Barrow News 1883 - 1986 held at Barrow
Carlisle Express and Examiner 1857 - 1913 held at Carlisle Library
Carlisle Journal 1801 - 1968 Carlisle Library
Carlisle Patriot 1815 - 1910 Carlisle Library
Cumberland and Westmorland Herald 1860 to date held at Penrith Library
Cumberland News 1910 to date held at Carlisle Library
Cumberland Pacquet 1774 - 1915 held at Carlisle, Whitehaven, Workington, Penrith, Kendal
English Lakes Visitor 1877 - 1910 held at Carlisle Library
Evening News 1910 to date held at Carlisle Library
Evening Star 1929 - 1967 held at Workington Library
Grange Visitor 1875 - 1891 held at Kendal Library
Kendal and County News 1888 - 1899 held at Kendal Library
Kendal Herald 1864 - 1866 held at Kendal Library
Kendal Mercury 1834 - 1917 held at Kendal Library
Kendal Weekly Courant 1731-32 held at Kendal Library
Keswick Reminder 1915 to date held at Keswick Library
Lakes Herald 1880 - 1916 held at Kendal Library
Lancaster Gazette 1801 – 1850 held at Kendal Library and Barrow
Millom Gazette 1892 - 1933 held at Barrow, Whitehaven
Newcastle Courant 1711 - 1800 held at Carlisle Library, Kendal Library, Whitehaven
North Western Daily Mail 1898 - 1940 held at Barrow
North West Evening Mail 1941 to date held at Barrow
Penrith Observer 1860 - 1968 held at Penrith Library
Soulby's Ulverston Advertiser 1848 - 1914 held at Barrow
Ulverston Mirror and Furness Reflector 1860 - 1885 held at Barrow
West Cumberland Times 1874 - 1966 held at Workington Library
West Cumberland Times and Star 1967 to date held at Workington Library
Westmorland Advertiser and Kendal Chronicle 1811 - 1834 held at Kendal Library
Westmorland Gazette 1818 to date held at Kendal Library
Whitehaven News 1856 to date held at Whitehaven
Wigton Advertiser 1857 - 1940 held at Carlisle, Wigton
Workington Star 1904 - 1967 held at Workington Library

You can book a reader at the library ( I suggest Workington would be your best
bet for the West Cumberland Times) and search around the date he was injured or
between March 1917 and the wars end, to see if the paper ran a story on him as an
injured soldier. There are usually pages set aside for war news, so check them first.

Take your camera and photograph the screen if you find anything as they charge 50p a sheet
to copy from the screen to paper.
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