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Kendal museum W&C Yeo exhibits

Postby plbramham » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:51 pm

Kendal museum has an interesting small, but rare, display of Westmorland and Cumberland Yeomanry exhibits. http://www.kendalmuseum.org.uk/

( Not to be confused and transposed with “Cumberland & Westmorland” - that’s the traditional wrestling at Grasmere Sports etc!)

It ranges from “ horse furniture” ( that is the correct term! ), to a Lieutenant Colonel’s dress uniform for Lt Col. S.T Fothergill of Selside.
(Note : later correction: the museum caption is incorrect, Should be S. R. Fothergill, see later postings)
The uniform displays his Edwardian/WW1 medal group which contains the rarest of all WW1 campaign medals - The Territorial Force medal. Entitlement to this was very restricted as you had to have been a pre-war territorial to qualify but conversely, did not serve overseas in 1914-1915, as that would entitle you to a 1914-15 star, which excluded you for the Territorial Medal.

To put it in context standard British War Medal awarded - 6,390,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_War_Medal
But just 34,000 for the Territorial medal! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territoria ... _War_Medal

I wonder if many of the men who received it were Victorian regulars, who were then after in the territorials in Edwardian times, but were kept , because of age maybe, at home for training/recruitment in WW1?

Interesting that he received the Victory medal - "rainbow ribbon", for which I believe you had to serve overseas in an officially designated "war zone", so he must have gone "overseas" post 1915 but obviously he did not go in 1914-15- thus did not get a "1914-15 Star", or he would not have qualified for the Territorial medal - a very complicated qualification for that one, hence why so rare.
(Later note: I was correct, he went to France in 1917 - see medal card on later posting below)

Any information about Fothergill anyone?

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Lt Col Fothergill's uniform & medals
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Yeomanry at Kendal castle circa 1860
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Re: Kendal museum W&C Yeo exhibits

Postby plbramham » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:26 pm

To the medals from left to right. Rather than type everything out, it’s best if I give you a website link for each:

British War Medal: This was in silver and is often missing from W W1 groups as in the 1920s and 30s, as a lot of men who were hard up sold it for scrap ( same value as a crown - five shillings.) - Obviously not an issue for this officer’s uniform! There was also a bronze version awarded to “native troops” ( Maltese, Chinese etc), because of that very fact - they realised that they may just be sold if given to them in silver! - (actually those are very rare as they do not survive no intrinsic value ) Anyway this medal : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_War_Medal

Victory Medal : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Me ... ed_Kingdom)

Territorial Medal - the RARE one! : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territoria ... _War_Medal

1911 Coronation Medal : http://www.northeastmedals.co.uk/britis ... v_1911.htm

George V Territorial Force Efficiency medal Ribbon = 38mm plain dark green with a central yellow stripe ( note the ribbon picture on the website is for The Honourable Artillery Company which was different to the usual one generally issued – as in the case of this uniform’s recipient) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Decoration

Note that the medals are “court mounted" , ie. extra length of ribbon, “ folded over “ and extending behind the medal - rather than the “standard” style of the ribbon which was just suspended from the bar
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Re: Kendal museum W&C Yeo exhibits

Postby plbramham » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:58 am

Thanks to Cumbria's Museum of Military Life at Carlisle Castle ( formerly the Border and KORBR Museum), here is a photo of Fothergill ( centre) in 1914, I like the sleepy dog!- "Mascot" I guess?
Also his medal index card
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Re: Kendal museum W&C Yeo exhibits

Postby plbramham » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:26 pm

Medal Index Card - obviously not the same man, but maybe his son/nephew/cousin/younger brother?
Same (very small) regiment and "officer class". Must be a connection?
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Later note - it's his son
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Re: Kendal museum W&C Yeo exhibits

Postby plbramham » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:45 pm

New info:
Westmorland & Cumberland Yeomanry dress uniforms worn by Lieutenant Colonel Sydney Roden Fothergill (1864-1943) of Low Bridge, Selside, near Kendal, Westmorland.

Fothergill inherited Low Bridge, Selside, and also Sion house, Pembrokeshire.

He was a student at Eton School, later New College Oxford, and became a barrister at Lincoln’s Inn in 1891.

He was a Major in the Pembrokeshire Imperial Yeomanry 1901-1904, but served as a Captain during the Boer War in the Imperial Yeomanry, later as Lt. Colonel commanding the Westmorland and Cumberland Yeomanry from 1911-1916, and as staff officer in The First World War from 1917.

Fothergill was a J.P., and Deputy Lord Lieutenant for Westmorland, also High Sherriff in 1922.

He married Winifred Stewart Gladstone, only daughter of Samuel Stewart Gladstone of Capenoch, Dumfrieshire and Sophia, daughter of Sir George Musgrove, 10th Baronet of Hartley Castle. They had four children. Eleanor Mary, John Hugh, George Sagar - who was also an officer in The W&C Yeomanry. (Fourth child not recorded on 1911 census - perhaps away at school?)

The Lt. Colonel is buried at St Thomas’ Church, Selside, and is commemorated inside the church (attched) at the head of a list of men who served during WW1 from that parish .

The "G.S Fothergill" was his son

Some more interesting items from this small church to follow!
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selside church

Postby plbramham » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:40 pm

Cannot find a memorial/ gravestone to Lt Col Fothergill, however he is mentioned on a scroll inside the church.
In the churchyard I did find what must be an exceptionally rare RFC headstone though(attached)
THOMPSON, JONAH GEORGE
Rank:Second LieutenantDate of Death:19/05/1917Age:27Regiment/Service:Royal Flying Corps Grave Reference CemeterySELSIDE (ST. THOMAS) CHURCHYARD
Additional Information:

Son of Mrs. Mary Agnes Thompson, of Riverbanks, Garnett Bridge, Kendal, and the late John Thompson.

(Note that there is another WW1 airman in Parkside Road Cemetery, Kendal:
COLBURN, S A. Rank:Lance CorporalService No:25331 Date of Death:25/09/1916 Regiment/Service:Royal Flying Corps and 10th Bn. Border Regiment see: viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1810&p=7099&hilit=colburn#p7099)
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Re: Kendal museum W&C Yeo exhibits

Postby plbramham » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:42 pm

Inscription on RFC stone.
CWGC details:
THOMPSON, JONAH GEORGE
Rank:Second Lieutenant Date of Death:19/05/1917 Age:27 Regiment/Service:Royal Flying Corps Grave Reference Cemetery SELSIDE (ST. THOMAS) CHURCHYARD
Additional Information:

Son of Mrs. Mary Agnes Thompson, of Riverbanks, Garnett Bridge, Kendal, and the late John Thompson.
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Re: Kendal museum W&C Yeo exhibits

Postby mrdeacon » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:10 pm

Hi Paul,

This is getting very interesting pal, once again you are doing a great job.

Regards Mike.
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Re: Kendal museum W&C Yeo exhibits

Postby plbramham » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:59 pm

If interested, here a few more pix from this rather remote church- St Thomas', Selside:
1) The memorial plaque to the dead,
2) The full roll of all who served (Fothergill at top), and
3) Interior of church.
(Both previous images are on the wall on the left.)
If anyone intends visiting and wants directions, just send me a message - it really is in the middle of nowhere, and don't think of attempting it in winter! (I used to, but had use of Land Rover!)

Interestingly the plaque states Thompson as RAF, ( which did not exist unit 1918, and he died in 1917 in the UK - flying/training accident?) but his grave correctly states RFC!
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Re: Kendal museum W&C Yeo exhibits

Postby kerchi » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:41 am

Interesting facts Paul. I like the way you piece together all these little facts to build a story or bigger picture. I don't know anything about the Fothergill family but they had money. Sion house must have been quite impressive in its day; if you scroll to page 2 of this document (The Sion House) you will see a simple image of the building he inherited.
In memory of John Bardgett (15309 L/Cpl.), 11th Border Regiment who died 1st July 1916.

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